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Xtr said:. You once gave me FPS BOOST PACK that removed all ms apps and cortana, but there was no any performance gain on my 8th gen notebook by removing Microsoft apps, they might help old hardware below 8th gen which do not have some security features like spectre v2, mitigations, meltdown in hardware and needed to be emulated resulting in low performance.
Click to expand HMTheBoy Supreme. Blog Author. Post automatically merged: Jul 23, HMTheBoy said:. TPM is the reason so far that making Windows 11 requirement push to 8th Gen above, don’t swap these 2 to make misunderstanding.
And “new driver model”, I don’t know if you even understand what is that shit. Mitigations does not relate to microsoft apps,. In windows vista, after windows vista released many old XP devices were not working in vista because of changes made to the driver model to prevent BsoD caused by old poorly coded XP drivers.
Also don’t bring those BS like security mitigations, it’s not even related at all. This is another BS, so far there’s no documents said that Windows 11 support only 8th Gen above support because it have mitigations patch, in fact some 8th Gen CPUS still on the list of affected CPU, but it’s not a big deal as Windows already provide patches for it, so does Linux.
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Tell me more about the “drastic change” breaking your application. If this is the case, by all means, take advantage of our App Assure program, no cost to you, and we will correct or help re-mediate the issue for you. I’m not sure if i can disclose such information even the name in-house app. What i meant, that one might assume that going from March version to September one can expect it to be mostly compatible.
This seems like might be such example. Although looking at Insider builds there are still a bunch of changes, not just small fixes. I’ll be very clear. If you have an app that is using undocumented calls, or other non-supported approaches, no-promises. It’s often the little things that are annoying. I don’t have a large deployment but every release there is something that takes time to fix and track down.
I had to repair the pdf printer for a LOB app. It’s typically something relating to printing, one time it was an Outlook app that stopped working and I had to repair it. At home I’ve lost my hdmi display to my Lenovo docking station and this isn’t a cheap laptop either.
To be honest, I really do not see how you have such a big issue keeping up to date on Windows First off, LTSC is a bad choice for close to every user in any case, to many potential pitfalls and limitations. Managing computers without management tools is not easy, but if your are serious you should also be serious managing your computers, making sure they are up to date and compliant.
With an increasing degree of travel and out of office usage, as well as interaction with external systems and users, firewalls are not the most important point of security any more, the endpoint is. Not having absolute control of the endpoint can turn out more expensive than you might think. I’m using a combination of SCCM and Intune managing endpoints, and as a single admin I manage thousands of devices, Windows, iOS and Android, in a more diverse, both geographically and methodically, environment than most other businesses.
As for the issues, well, I did not experience any. Nor did I have any issues with any other release either. My impression is, most people did not have any issues, but a small percentage of close to a billion devices is still many systems and users. When the new release is out, I wait a few weeks before I update a small set of test computers in my office. I do some testing trying to provoke some errors, while also looking for people having issues online, trying to identify HW and SW setups common for our environment.
I then deploy for the entire organisation. All data is stored off device, and a full device rollback takes about one hour, should something go bad. So far I’ve had issues with one upgrade on one computer, out of several thousands.
And, after redeploying the OS, every update since were ok. In a perfect world we would have more people testing every computer type with every software before deploying the upgrades, but needless to say, this is not possible with just one person managing clients. At some point, something might go wrong, we all know this.
But we have disaster recovery plans, and most users can do a OSD from their own desk getting the system operational within the hour. We find that keeping the endpoints secure and compliant is more important in the long run. Andres Pae Nobody said do not use LTSC, and your example of static, automated systems, conducting the same tasks over and over, with little use of new features, doing nothing but these specific tasks, well this could be one of the use cases where LTSC is the best choice.
Just think it through first. Serpentbane, but that is the point. Microsoft made it very hard on Windows 10 to get rid of things the Organization does not want – things like setting file associations etc.
Also, we deploy our devices for a four year cycle, and by using LTSC, we could just deploy these devices and keep them on one version for the entire Lifecycle – no changes, no stuff breaking. It is the little things that happen with the Windows 10 updates – defaults get changed, they add new icons to the task bar I had a ton of support calls when the unwanted “Mail” App was auto-pinned to the taskbar with upgrades , the interface is changing constantly looking at you, Windows Search Neither do we want that as Admins.
Also, people HATE when the upgrades arrive. And I have trouble forcing my users to have a single reboot a month as it is IT had to override Management on that one. Just remember that back on any other version of Windows, you only had to worry about deploying to a device once, have it auto-configured by whatever scripts you built, and only worry about the monthly updates. Now, with every new Windows 10 version I have to verify that my scripts still work PSA: often they get broken by changes from Microsoft , I have to verify my Drivers and Software all still work, figure out where Microsoft changed the presets set by users in the upgrade process, where they added unwanted “features” and GUI elements, update my GPOs Administering Windows 10 devices to a level that my Organization wants not to a level that Microsoft deems “suitable” creates about five times as much work as Windows 7 or Windows XP did before.
I know, a lot of people seem to like Edge, Cortana, etc.. We don’t want them, we don’t need them. We just want Devices for our Lifecycle that behave consistently from one day to another, and GUI changes are not consistency.
It was hard enough to figure out how to turn most of the annoyances on Windows 10 off, but to have to do it repeatedly every months is just..
Just as an anecdote, I had a script why do I need a script for this that unpinned Edge from the Task bar – as it was not a normal icon but some system functionality deeply hidden that put it there. In the end, it worked and the icon was gone – and it worked fine in or older.
When we moved to , it still worked that it unpinned the icon – but now users couldn’t pin stuff to the taskbar anymore, as it was forgetting the pins after logout. Why is simple stuff like that so hard I am currently moving all our devices up to , and when that is done, to Create one Year of overlap from one release to the next. Whenever I hear someone telling me they ” do not see how you have such a big issue” with anything, I totally get it. They don’t see it because they don’t have to work in the environment we work.
So they don’t understand it, and naturally they don’t see what the issue is. When that happens, maybe, just maybe, I’ll believe Microsoft has a clue on what is required for the enterprise. Yeah I can agree with that however the SAC version is based on the full edition.
It would be cool if they did create a combo of the two where you did have the benefits of SAC but with the commercial apps like Xbox and weather removed. But not enough demand or a market space for that type of product. I’m recommending an evaluation of LTSC for programs I’m the security manager over and I have a question that I hope the community would address.
How is the backwards compatibility of LTSC? For example, if I’m using hardware from or earlier will support the hardware? If you are using hardware from you are in bigger trouble anyway! Regardless what the bad guys say, here is the only one truth: Windows 10 any edition only works on SSD drives! Well, because it was designed that way.
For example to supply water you have to use copper or plastic pipes. They designed for that. You cannot use paper pipes – they will melt in seconds. Same here: if you still use HDD – your Windows 10 won’t work well. It will work, but much worse than XP or Win 7. Besides, please try to understand one thing: ALL editions of Windows 10 are the same. Missing features. And different versions. But they are the same. And all applications works regardless. Those are time wasters and tire kickers!
Those are truly bad guys! Because this way they can justify their salaries by doing nothing! Including LTSE. So now you are not limited to lousy and slow IE You can enjoy new EDGE which is absolutely best browser in the world today! And the rest? Who use Cortana? Who needs Store? This is a first thing that any Enterprise would ban and prohibit – MS Store. Because this is a big Pandora box. I hope you know why you said you are security guy?
Hope this can help Interesting how we have many computers on campus all running Windows 10 various editions on regular hard drives, not SSD drives. We have a mixed pool of laptops from 8yr to brand new. We don’t have any problems running windows 10 on the older kit. Where I have needed drivers and there aren’t any for Windows 10, I have installed them for older operating systems and these work well.
As the older kit breaks, we scavenge any relevant components to fix the remaining laptops. A portion of our user base are very harsh on the laptops, so the older rugged machines handle this the best.
When we have spare funds, we do put in a SSD but we haven’t found it necessary. By default the LTSC edition doesn’t have the xbox apps natively installed, however you can install them. There is a “MultiLang App Update” release, which you can download from your microsoft account. My users like Sticky Notes, Photos and couple of the other apps. I installed them from the App Update pack without any problems.
First to your question, as a general rule, yes, current version of Windows 10 work on older hardware. If you purchased a new machine in , the current version of Windows 10, if your using MS update service, has been updated to your machine, moving it forward. That is the general principal, but as in all of life, there are footnotes in small print at the bottom of the page.
You mention devices as old as or older. There are driver support requirements that may be potential issues for you. That would be for Win10 regardless of LTSC or SAC, no difference there, We certainly updated 10’s of millions of devices in and that were at the time years old, so it was a common scenario, but again in general, its was the very old devices that had the higher rates if issues, not surprising.
So its likely to install and run, but cant say for sure. The OEM I’m pretty sure is no longer supporting it. Depending on how the device is being used, you will see perf impact.
You did not give details on the use case , but sense you did call out your security manager, I do want to call out and be clear for you and other readers, The most secure option with Windows 10 will be SAC, and not LTSC.
Both get security patches each month, but SAC editions get new security features and functionality, many targeting and or addressing the latest attack strategies. LTSC is often, incorrectly thought to be the choice for secure, locked down devices, and that really is a SAC build, where we continue to innovate and advance the security capabilities of Windows, every 6 months.
New versions do get new security features, but also new flaws. What gives.. New versions not only get new security features, but also new features in general. Rather large updates could also present new vulnerabilities, this is to be expected. Ever since initially looking into rolling out W10 years ago I have ached so much to be able to just use the LTSC release and get on with it.
You say that the LTSC is intended for environments where use cases and requirements don’t change over time. My response to this is that empiraclly speaking, we simply don’t use any “features” of the OS itself to drive our organisation forward.
Our business needs are met by software vendors developing applications that we simply install on our base image or run via web-apps, not by the OS itself. Our security needs are catered for in our infrastructure itself and again by third party solutions. I’d also wager that this is what a majority of businesses need, nothing more than a simple platform on which they can build to their own requirements, not Microsoft’s.
I welcome additional features in the name of security but there appears to be no allowing here for IT admins to make their choices and not have to feel like they’re being punished for it.
I’ve fought too much against changing behaviours in Windows 10 releases where I need to find new services to disable for performance reasons or where something I did in a Group Policy for one release is undone by another. I’ve got file associations being reset anytime a user moves to a new VM that are an absolute pain to manage. UWP replacements for stock Windows apps are no longer simple to manage because they’re “provisioned” on a per-user basis rather than just being “installed”.
I can’t get “Photos” for crying out loud to open an image for any user without staring at a blank window for seconds. The classic image viewer? I could go on and on and on. It constantly feels like a battle with Windows 10 and I’m exhausted with it!
What we’d love is to be able to use LTSC as our base image, install exactly what we need and just get on. SAC goes completely against this. You say you “don’t use any OS features”?. Pretty sure this is not actually true, let me explain, and I’ll put aside for now the end user innovations and improvements that have been added, that you your users may be missing out on. When you do replace, add HW, do you try to acquire the best performance for price at the time its acquired?
If so, your taking advantage to the Windows 10 Silicon policy, where new HW is first enabled on the current version of Windows 10, and would not be supported for example on the LTSC release. Those are features that have been and are improved with each Windows 10 update.
That is the stack that is currently the focus of development and testing by your vendors of choice, silicon, oem and os. Do you stay current with firmware updates and drivers? From things like Windows Info protection to Application Guard, you have much richer tools and better capabilities to address your security needs, again while focusing on user productivity. But all that side. You can choose to use LTSC. While I explained above what it was designed for, customer still choose with version they choose to purchase and use.
Certainly we did that a lot in the first releases, but that was a big focus through to respect and persist. If and when it happens today, we want to know it and fix it. Thanks again , and let me know how I can help, with what ever version of Windows 10 you choose to run. I’m the only one managing clients in my organization, and we have thousands of clients with different needs and users. First off, we have not experienced a single issue with updates for as long as I can remember.
And, who are we to say what our users need? I have never told anyone about the my phone feature, yet I discovered many of our users were all over it. And, W10 is getting better, why stick with the old? From a management point of view, many mgmt features require the latest versions. You don’t need to prevent W10 from evolving, you need to evolve yourself. No, GPO’s are not the future, and if you miss them you are only scared of changes and improvements.
Why am I writing this? Simply because it’s clear the desktop OS is becoming less and less relevant – most of our users are just working in the cloud on whatever they have at home.
We have a few legacy apps finance, why is it always finance!? So perhaps instead of adding more and more features to Windows 10 and poo-pooing people who are using LTSC, MS should be thinking about a lightweight, easy to service, image of Windows aimed at users who spend most of their time in the web browser not the desktop OS.
By the way – big kudos to the Edge team – from hating the original version I’m really liking the new Chromium-based Edge, ‘Profiles’ are invaluable. So, you say the OS is irrelevant, all is web, Chrome book is great, and then go on to say the experience is best on desktop, Windows then Mac.
Truth is, the OS does matter. The OS is the thing tieing the experiences together. Chrome OS was supposed to be a web OS, because all you need is web. But it’s not.
Because, web alone is not enough. And if you do feel it is, the feel free to use web only. But if you need the OS, then use the propper and intended OS. The LTSC was made with a particular user case in mind, and that is not user computers.
How long would Windows be a thing if Windows did not evolve? Sure, for some LTSC is a must have, for most its not. If your users don’t need the OS, give them thin terminals. If they need the OS, give them the best experience. That is not LTSC. As I see it, it is my job to give them this with as little hassle as possible. Sitting back with my feet on the desk running LTSC is not what’s best for my users.
I prefer LTSC because it does not change substantially over time and precisely because of all of the things that are missing from it Edge, Microsoft Store, Cortana, OneNote, and other modern apps. Howdy, I am developer in a corporate environment.
No problems at all. I have not been hindered in anyway by LTSC. Therefore, I cannot confirm any limitations so stated in the parent article.
I am very grateful that my orgnization is legally allowed to license LTSC Rich it is vastly superior to other versions and all of the more recent versions have been plagued with varying degrees of problems. LTSC is what normal Windows 10 should be. It is extremely unfortunate that it is not readily available to all consumers as an alternative to the bloated and unstable versions they are expected to tolerate.
So I installed it into my Mac Pro Bootcamp partition in early summer this year. I am kind of dismayed by the lack of updates for what to me, appears to be a superior version of Windows One without the “Windows Store”, if I want to run it that way.
Actually, I found a script that added the store back in, so I can use most of my paid store apps. But no “Cortana”, I think the update for Cortana in was excellent, much more friendly. In my situation, I use Windows to drive workstations for Audio and Video editing, so I don’t want a lot of excess junk gobbling up resources. Because I need every byte of memory available and I need to keep my system drive lean, as sometimes I am limited to GB partitions. I still have LTSC installed, but it has not updated to much newer than At some point, I may want to officially get this build, it is so much better for me.
My question is, how exactly do I do that? And, are there any major updates coming down the pipe, I had read that one was coming in Fall I can’t remember the source for that though. The whole purpose of LTSC is so it doesn’t update to new feature packs and removes store and other stuff you wouldn’t want in the image. If you don’t want updates in your build, turn them off. You must be a registered user to add a comment.
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John Wilcox. Published PM K Views. Making a fully informed choice about the LTSC Before its release and throughout the first year of Windows 10, many predicted that LTSC would be the preferred servicing channel for enterprise customers.
Considerations All too often, I have seen strategic decisions about Windows 10 servicing options and the use of the Long-Term Servicing Channel driven by the wrong criteria; for example, IT professional familiarity prevailing over end user value and impact. When choosing to utilize the LTSC, you must factor hardware into your decision, making sure you have a long-term supply of devices and service components for the life of your expected usage of the device.
If the hardware your device is using needs to be replaced in five years, do you have a replacement supply to support the version you are running? New peripheral support : Because the API and driver support models are not changing, the LTSC release you deploy may not support new hardware or peripherals that you need to use in your organization.
Many ISVs do not support LTSC editions for their applications, as they want their applications to use the latest innovation and capabilities to give users the best experience. Best security : Windows 10, with the latest feature update installed, is always the most secure release of Windows 10, offering the latest security capabilities and functionality.
Best stability : Windows 10, with the latest feature update installed, has the latest performance and stability improvements. Greatest hardware choice : New devices target and ship with the latest Windows 10 release to light up new hardware capabilities and improvements. Oleg K. Super Contributor. Hi Oleg, Thanks for your discussion kickoff. First to your question. What is the LTSC end user missing?
Andres Pae. This edition of Windows has the Battery Saver feature. Activating Battery Saver gives you a long-lasting battery while you are working. Remote Desktop is now more active to give you access to your system from remote places. It allows you to access your desired computer within no time. Hyper-V is an integral part of Windows 10 Pro. Now, you can run the various OS on a virtual machine like Linux, Windows XP, and others without affecting the main system.
Fast Startup, sleep, quick shutdown and search make it a worthy Operating System to use. It does not take a long time in operations. Task View allows you to view tasks comparatively. While working on various web pages, you can view them in Task View for easy switching from one to another. Microsoft Edge is even faster to fetch accurate browsing results. It has the fluent design and reading mode and online sharing feature.
It may be due to a third-party antivirus program. Uninstall if you have any antivirus program. If you have any, uninstall it too. Yes, it affects for sure and needs to be rebuilt.
If you frequently install different operating systems, your Boot Configuration Data may remain incomplete. Install all updates and restart PC. Now, try to install Windows 10 Pro again.
It shows you a USB flash drive option. Select this option. Some users complain that they cannot see this option.
Click here to download Rufus. Now double-click the tool to launch. Rufus starts creating a bootable USB flash drive. It shows you that the system is loading files. Here, you see two installation options; Custom and Upgrade. Now select a location to save Windows 10 Pro. The system starts loading files. The installation process appears in percentage. Select a name if you desire so.
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It will be the END. And nobody want the END. Everybody want to live. Everyone want to retire happy ha-ha-ha! Now let’s see why SAC is better as per you list : 1. Edge is missing. But Edge is disaster. You saying add this to ADFS? But do you remember we were talking about large enterprise? Don’t ask. Just believe! So for any changes we are looking months and months to implement. We disabled it in SAC anyway, so why bother? Nobody use Cortana, except MS people who present something on Ignite! App Store.
Most enterprise block it – otherwise this is a Pandora box! If users start installing what they want this will be the end! Same thing for many other things. So what really business need? They need their Applications. And they want them to work stable today, tomorrow and in 5 years, day after day. And if changes occurs so often and could break things, this is not good. Your turn! Just adding my two cents here.
Most users keep their devices for an average of 5 years. That would mean users get a new Windows version every time they change their PC as opposed to disrupting them every year or so at the risk of breaking their applications.
To all those LTSC issues raised in the article, they all have a workaround or alternative so they are of no concern and I can safely dismiss them as fear-mongering designed to fit Microsoft’s agenda. After all, let’s look at who wrote the article. The author conveniently failed to even take a peek at the recent series of upgrade disasters and delays Microsoft is facing. I think it is evident Microsoft can’t keep up with their own agenda, which has hurt their credibility.
If they are to be successful at repairing the damage, first they have to earn our trust before we can take their agenda seriously by releasing stable and trustworthy upgrades that are consistently on time. Constant delays is a clear sign of trouble. If MS can’t keep up with their own pace, what makes anyone think that the average enterprise will be able to do the same?
We just don’t have the resources to go around every 6 months upgrading machines. If they slowed down the release pace to maybe once a year, and support those releases for up to 5 years, I believe Microsoft might be able to keep up with the pace, they won’t stumble as much, make it much easier for enterprises, significantly reduce the push back, and have a much more successful Win 10 upgrade path.
MS is surprisingly quiet about the 19H2 update and there are rumors it might be very minor stability update instead of a regular feature update. Although i would just scrap it and go the 1 update per year route. Nah, that’s too long. Especially with laptops.
They get beaten up badly if used as laptops and carried around a lot. And they get morally old. We use the LTSC version. I originally went the route of Enterprise and had so many problems:. Why, if they are turned OFF. We want stability, clean and lean OS that is quick and for work. The adoption of new “Features” should always be an individual companies decision, not Microsofts.
All non-required features are just applications that bloat the OS and increase management. We don’t have the staff to deal with, 6monthly Feature updates, which technically are “inplace-upgrades” and all their consistencies. I think the 3yr rotation was good, 2yrs of stability. We skipped all of Windows 8. Now I have to upgrade the OS every 2 years just to keep security updates coming down the pipe? We just did an internal NESSUS vulnerability scan and 18 machines on and earlier came up on the report for being end of life.
It used to be we bought a generation of computer preloaded with an OS like Win 7 then 5 or 6 years later those computers would be refreshed with a newer model and a newer OS like Win If you want to do feature updates fine, but keep those security updates coming down the wire. Keith, it might help first updating to older build. Some PCs here were failing to upgrade from to Yeah, it was giving a confusing error that “some driver is incompatible”. No exact name, error, nothing.
Just a button to proceed anyway. If i proceed, it works ok after the update. But this requires manual intervention. Surprisingly this works, if you first update to and then to So for failing machines i’m using this approach. Btw, we also have machines and it seems they are not going to be updated soon as application is not compatible with newer versions of Windows and there are also some political decisions to be made to move on.
I know that MS now has so many versions on their hands to support all of them for at least 5 years. But hey, there is the LTSC version to avoid this problems, no? Happy to help, I hear frustration in your feedback, but missing a lot of details that I might help with. Some initial thoughts, feel free to engage with specifics if you would like help.
There are literally millions of devices that do this every day, consumer, slam business and large enterprise. You did not indicate with SKU you are using, but I’ll assume pro is you are focused on the 18 month security servicing for each release. I work with many enterprise customers other than Microsoft who update s of devices weekly, some even more. What are the limits that you running into and effecting that velocity? The customer trend I do see is that once you get process in place to update once every 12 months, then updating more frequently, if you choose is incremental.
Most of the change management is completed in getting to update more frequent than every years, ie once per year. How do you manage updates? Windows 10 will certainly outlive the HW, but while it does so, it is extending the life of that HW. Tell me more? Have you check free diskspace? This is one of the most common sources of update failures, lacking free space to download and install the updates.
Do you have 3rd party encryption and security products that might be conflicting? Many then, fewer today still, required you to first uninstall, update the 3rd party tools before the update, though I would expect you would have worked through this with other devices that did update, so check disk space. Have you used the Setup Diag tool? Tell me more about the “drastic change” breaking your application. If this is the case, by all means, take advantage of our App Assure program, no cost to you, and we will correct or help re-mediate the issue for you.
I’m not sure if i can disclose such information even the name in-house app. What i meant, that one might assume that going from March version to September one can expect it to be mostly compatible. This seems like might be such example. Although looking at Insider builds there are still a bunch of changes, not just small fixes. I’ll be very clear. If you have an app that is using undocumented calls, or other non-supported approaches, no-promises. It’s often the little things that are annoying.
I don’t have a large deployment but every release there is something that takes time to fix and track down. I had to repair the pdf printer for a LOB app.
It’s typically something relating to printing, one time it was an Outlook app that stopped working and I had to repair it. At home I’ve lost my hdmi display to my Lenovo docking station and this isn’t a cheap laptop either. To be honest, I really do not see how you have such a big issue keeping up to date on Windows First off, LTSC is a bad choice for close to every user in any case, to many potential pitfalls and limitations.
Managing computers without management tools is not easy, but if your are serious you should also be serious managing your computers, making sure they are up to date and compliant. With an increasing degree of travel and out of office usage, as well as interaction with external systems and users, firewalls are not the most important point of security any more, the endpoint is. Not having absolute control of the endpoint can turn out more expensive than you might think. I’m using a combination of SCCM and Intune managing endpoints, and as a single admin I manage thousands of devices, Windows, iOS and Android, in a more diverse, both geographically and methodically, environment than most other businesses.
As for the issues, well, I did not experience any. Nor did I have any issues with any other release either. My impression is, most people did not have any issues, but a small percentage of close to a billion devices is still many systems and users. When the new release is out, I wait a few weeks before I update a small set of test computers in my office.
I do some testing trying to provoke some errors, while also looking for people having issues online, trying to identify HW and SW setups common for our environment. I then deploy for the entire organisation. All data is stored off device, and a full device rollback takes about one hour, should something go bad.
So far I’ve had issues with one upgrade on one computer, out of several thousands. And, after redeploying the OS, every update since were ok. In a perfect world we would have more people testing every computer type with every software before deploying the upgrades, but needless to say, this is not possible with just one person managing clients.
At some point, something might go wrong, we all know this. But we have disaster recovery plans, and most users can do a OSD from their own desk getting the system operational within the hour. We find that keeping the endpoints secure and compliant is more important in the long run. Andres Pae Nobody said do not use LTSC, and your example of static, automated systems, conducting the same tasks over and over, with little use of new features, doing nothing but these specific tasks, well this could be one of the use cases where LTSC is the best choice.
Just think it through first. Serpentbane, but that is the point. Microsoft made it very hard on Windows 10 to get rid of things the Organization does not want – things like setting file associations etc. Also, we deploy our devices for a four year cycle, and by using LTSC, we could just deploy these devices and keep them on one version for the entire Lifecycle – no changes, no stuff breaking. It is the little things that happen with the Windows 10 updates – defaults get changed, they add new icons to the task bar I had a ton of support calls when the unwanted “Mail” App was auto-pinned to the taskbar with upgrades , the interface is changing constantly looking at you, Windows Search Neither do we want that as Admins.
Also, people HATE when the upgrades arrive. And I have trouble forcing my users to have a single reboot a month as it is IT had to override Management on that one. Just remember that back on any other version of Windows, you only had to worry about deploying to a device once, have it auto-configured by whatever scripts you built, and only worry about the monthly updates.
Now, with every new Windows 10 version I have to verify that my scripts still work PSA: often they get broken by changes from Microsoft , I have to verify my Drivers and Software all still work, figure out where Microsoft changed the presets set by users in the upgrade process, where they added unwanted “features” and GUI elements, update my GPOs Administering Windows 10 devices to a level that my Organization wants not to a level that Microsoft deems “suitable” creates about five times as much work as Windows 7 or Windows XP did before.
I know, a lot of people seem to like Edge, Cortana, etc.. We don’t want them, we don’t need them. We just want Devices for our Lifecycle that behave consistently from one day to another, and GUI changes are not consistency. It was hard enough to figure out how to turn most of the annoyances on Windows 10 off, but to have to do it repeatedly every months is just..
Just as an anecdote, I had a script why do I need a script for this that unpinned Edge from the Task bar – as it was not a normal icon but some system functionality deeply hidden that put it there. In the end, it worked and the icon was gone – and it worked fine in or older.
When we moved to , it still worked that it unpinned the icon – but now users couldn’t pin stuff to the taskbar anymore, as it was forgetting the pins after logout. Why is simple stuff like that so hard I am currently moving all our devices up to , and when that is done, to Create one Year of overlap from one release to the next.
Whenever I hear someone telling me they ” do not see how you have such a big issue” with anything, I totally get it. They don’t see it because they don’t have to work in the environment we work. So they don’t understand it, and naturally they don’t see what the issue is. When that happens, maybe, just maybe, I’ll believe Microsoft has a clue on what is required for the enterprise. Yeah I can agree with that however the SAC version is based on the full edition. It would be cool if they did create a combo of the two where you did have the benefits of SAC but with the commercial apps like Xbox and weather removed.
But not enough demand or a market space for that type of product. I’m recommending an evaluation of LTSC for programs I’m the security manager over and I have a question that I hope the community would address. How is the backwards compatibility of LTSC? For example, if I’m using hardware from or earlier will support the hardware? If you are using hardware from you are in bigger trouble anyway! Regardless what the bad guys say, here is the only one truth: Windows 10 any edition only works on SSD drives!
Well, because it was designed that way. For example to supply water you have to use copper or plastic pipes. They designed for that. You cannot use paper pipes – they will melt in seconds. Same here: if you still use HDD – your Windows 10 won’t work well.
It will work, but much worse than XP or Win 7. Besides, please try to understand one thing: ALL editions of Windows 10 are the same. Missing features. And different versions. But they are the same. And all applications works regardless.
Those are time wasters and tire kickers! Those are truly bad guys! Because this way they can justify their salaries by doing nothing! Including LTSE. So now you are not limited to lousy and slow IE This edition of Windows has the Battery Saver feature.
Activating Battery Saver gives you a long-lasting battery while you are working. Remote Desktop is now more active to give you access to your system from remote places.
It allows you to access your desired computer within no time. Hyper-V is an integral part of Windows 10 Pro. Now, you can run the various OS on a virtual machine like Linux, Windows XP, and others without affecting the main system. Fast Startup, sleep, quick shutdown and search make it a worthy Operating System to use. It does not take a long time in operations. Task View allows you to view tasks comparatively. While working on various web pages, you can view them in Task View for easy switching from one to another.
Microsoft Edge is even faster to fetch accurate browsing results. It has the fluent design and reading mode and online sharing feature.
It may be due to a third-party antivirus program. Uninstall if you have any antivirus program. If you have any, uninstall it too. Yes, it affects for sure and needs to be rebuilt.
If you frequently install different operating systems, your Boot Configuration Data may remain incomplete. Install all updates and restart PC. Now, try to install Windows 10 Pro again. It shows you a USB flash drive option. Select this option. K , Mar 7, Papusan likes this. Last edited: Mar 7, Papusan , Mar 7, Raiderman , joluke and S. Last edited: Mar 8, Papusan , Mar 8, Normimb , S. K and joluke like this.
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